GRAND JURY FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
GRAND JURY NUMBER 93-5

DCN:
Grand Jury Inv. No. 9301035

REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

TESTIMONY OF
OSCAR DANILO BLANDON

February 3, 1994

REPORTED BY: CARLA SOARES, CSR# 59081

APPEARANCES:

For the United States of America:

MICHAEL J. YAMAGUCHI
United States Attorney
450 Golden Gate Avenue
San Francisco, California
94102

By: DAVID C. HALL,
Assistant U.S. Attorney

Thursday, February 3, 1994
11:10 a.m.

OSCAR DANILO BLANDON,
a witness called on behalf of the United States Grand
Jury in and for the Northern District of California,
having been duly sworn, testified as follows:

MR. HALL: Q. Mr. Blandon, remember that

we're in kind of an odd-shaped room here, and the

people in the back might have trouble hearing you.

I'd ask that you keep your voice up. You might

pretend that you're talking to one of the men in the

back row so that everyone can hear you.

A. Okay

Q. Number one, your name for the record?

A. My name is Oscar Danilo Blandon.

Q. And Mr. Blandon, you're currently in federal

custody, are you not?

A. Yes.

Q. And have you been convicted of a crime?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What crime have you been convicted of?

A. Conspiracy.

Q. Conspiracy to do what?

A. To sell drugs.

Q. What kind of drugs in particular?

A. Coke. Cocaine.

Q. And where and when did that happen, your

conviction?

A. It happened in December. Well, my

conviction was in 1992.

Q. And you were arrested in December of '91?

A. No, I was arrested in 1991, but not for this

case.

Q. Right.

A. I was arrested in May, May 15, 1992 for

this.

Q. On this case?

A. On this case, and I have been sentenced.

Q. And you've been sentenced to what?

A. For drug conspiracy.

Q. How many years?

A. Four years.

Q. Four years?

A. Yes.

Q. Now, as part of your plea process, did you

agree to cooperate with the United States?

A. Yes.

Q. And to testify in front of Grand Juries and

at trial if necessary about people that you'd been

conspiring with?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And that was done in the federal courts in

San Diego.

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And you were represented there by a lawyer,

were you not?

A. Yes.

Q. And his name?

A, Mr. Bruno.

Q. And Mr. Bruno agreed with your cooperation

agreement.

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And agrees that you can testify in front of

Grand Juries and trials including this Grand Jury?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Now, where are you currently doing your

time?

A. Well, right now I don't know.

Q. Okay. You have been detained at the

Metropolitan Correctional Center in San Diego?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Which is more of a jail as opposed to

prison. People generally wait there to go to other

places to serve time; is that right?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And you expected to be sent to another

prison for the beginning of your time when the writ

came from this court that would bring you here to San

Francisco to testify?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. So you don't really even know where you're

going back to, whether it's San Diego or some other

institution?

A. No, sir.

Q. Right now are you in the San Francisco

County Jail?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And martials brought you here to court

today; is that right?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And one is right outside that door as best

you know it?

A. Yeah.

Q. And one is in the back back there.

A. Okay.

Q. Now, I'm going to ask you whether you dealt,

in your cocaine conspiracy or conspiracies, with a

family, we'll go through each one, but a family by the

name of Meneses.

A. Yes.

Q. And would that be spelled M-e-n-e-s-e-s?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Tell me what your dealings were with the

Meneses family in a general way first.

A. Okay. I start knowing the Meneses family

since Nicaragua. That is my country. When I came

here in 1979, I -- well, I came here like a refugee,

like political asylum. I started getting contact with

Meneses family in 1981.

Q. And how did you hear about the Meneses

family?

A. The Meneses family --

Q. Well, as somebody you could contact?

A. The Meneses family, they are from Nicaragua,

and my family, my mother's family is from Nicaragua.

And we had a relationship because they called -- well,

the name, the last name is Meneses Contraro, and

Contraro was my mother, grandmother also. So we are

related.

Q. Somewhere way back?

A. Yeah.

Q. Okay.

A. So when I came here, we started doing

something for the contra revolution. I meet with

Norwin Meneses in San Francisco to have meeting to

start the movement, the contra revolution.

Q. Now, at that time when you met with Norwin

Meneses, were you living here in San Francisco?

A. No, I was living in L.A.

Q. And what would be your purpose in meeting in

regards to the Nicaraguan revolution here in

California? Trying to raise money?

A. Yes, trying to raise money.

Q. Your purpose was to raise money to send back

to help the revolutionaries?

A. Yes. We fly to Honduras one time with

Norwin Meneses. We meet with the chief of the contra-

revolution, Enrique Ramunez. That was Commandant

Ramunez, and he is in charge, okay, how to raise money

in California So we start coming to California and

meet with the politics people. But we didn't find a

way, and Norwin was doing drug business at that time.

Q. Norwin was already in the drug business?

A. Yes. So he told me to make some drug

business in L.A. for raise money to the contra, and we

started that way.

Q. And is that the first time you were involved

in the drug business?

A. Yes, one time.

Q. Now, how did the drug business work from

your point of view as it first started?

A. Well, in 1981, it works like, a gentleman

deals at that time with the Meneses family, with the

people. Meneses used to give me the customer, okay,

in L.A., so I started doing business at that time.

Q. Where did you get the drugs?

A. From Meneses. I came to San Francisco and

picked it up at Norwin's house.

Q. What kind of quantities would be dealt?

A. At that time it was two keys. It's only for

the money that we had to send. We start sending truck

pickups to the contra revolution. We start sending

clothes, medicines at that time.

Q. All right. And you would transport it down

in cars?

A. In cars.

Q. You'd come up here, get it in a car and

drive it back down?

A. Yes.

Q. All right. Now, how old was Norwin at that

time, say, in '82?

A. At that time he was -- he's like -- he was

like in 30s, late 30s. 35, something like that.

Q. Where did he live in the Bay Area?

A. He was living in Pacifica.

Q. Do you know what street or what area of

Pacifica?

A. That area was the first time I came to San

Francisco. I didn't know, but it was in Pacifica

because we used to -- someplace at a restaurant that

is near the coast, a restaurant that is in front of

the ocean. It was a mile from there in Pacifica.

Q. Up the hill?

A. In Pacifica. At that time it was starting a

lot of new houses right there.

Q. Did he live up the hill from that

restaurant?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember the area, maybe Rockaway

Beach? Does that name --

A. No. There is a school right there.

Q. It's near a school right there?

A. In Pacifica.

Q. Is it your understanding that agents might

be helping you to find locations that we'll be talking

about here in the near future while you're here in San

Francisco?

A. Yes.

Q. And you might be allowed by the court to

take trips in the custody of these agents and to point

out various places?

A. Yeah, I can find.

Q. All right. Now, was Norwin living with

someone at that time?

A. He was living with his wife, Marisa.

Q. Children?

A. And their children.

Q. And how did it progress from there? Did it

get bigger?

A. Well, it got bigger and bigger, because all

the family was working at that time with him.

Q. Working in the drug business?

A. In the drug business. It was Ernesto.

Ernesto was his brother. There was another -- Ernesto

Meneses. Then how do you call, their -- well, all the

family, you know, Jaime, Omar, Roger.

Q. Roger?

A. Yes. Those people are called nieces, or how

do you call?

A GRAND JUROR: Nephew?

THE WITNESS: Nephews. I'm sorry.

MR. HALL: They're all nephews of --

A. of Norwin.

Q. -- Norwin?

A. Yes.

Q. Are they Jaime's sons?

A. Jaime's sons, yes.

Q. Roger?

A. Roger and Omar were nephews.

Q. Now, do you know where Jaime lives?

A. No. At that time he was living in Pacifica

also.

Q. He was in Pacifica somewhere?

A. Yes.

Q. How about Guillermo?

A. Guillermo appears --

Q. Later?

A. -- later.

Q. All right. Is Roger around at that time?

A. Roger was around Meneses, Norwin. And Omar

and another called Jairo Morales Meneses was the big

one, nephew from Norwin, Jairo.

Q. Jairo, was the big one as far as the drug

business was going?

A. Yes. His father also. The father of Jairo.

Q. Was that Jaime or was that someone else?

A. No, Jairo Morales, the father, Jairo

Morales.

Q. Do you know his name?

A. Right now I cannot remember.

Q. And you say they were the big ones as far as

the family members doing something. What were they

doing at that point from what you know?

A. At that time, they were doing like -- I

remember he told me because I keep some accounts from

Norwin, okay? The first year, they make about 900

keys.

Q. They sold 900 keys?

A. Right.

Q. Jairo and the people that worked for him?

A. Norwin and the people that worked, Jairo --

Q. I see. Norwin all together and his family

members including Jairo?

A. Yes.

Q. And you did some books for him?

A. Yes, I did some books because I was in

charge to collect some money from L.A. customer, and I

was doing, you know, like two keys.

Q. Was there a particular place that Norwin

kept these keys of cocaine? Did he keep them in his

house or some other place?

A. No. At that time they had some warehouses.

Norwin was in love with a lady called Margarita

Castagna, and they were keeping in Margarita

Castagna's house some of the merchandise because I

went one time to pick it up right there.

Q. Where did Margarita Castagna live?

A. Near the Cow Palace.

Q. In South San Francisco?

A. Yes.

Q. And it was in a house?

A. It was in a town house.

Q. Town house?

A. (Witness nods head.)

Q. And she would keep a lot of kilos there?

A. Yes.

Q. Is that the only place you saw the kilos?

Is that where you picked them up from?

A. Well, two or three more warehouses, but I

don't remember -- when I came, I don't remember the

address because they took me there.

Q. These might be places that you might be able

to identify if you were out and saw the area?

A. Yes.

Q. Okay. Now, how did you progress in the

business? You started off with two or three keys,

then what happened?

A. Yes. In the beginning I start doing just

because the contra, because I was working and selling

cars.

Q. That was your legitimate job?

A. Yes, my legitimate job. So after that, in

1983, okay, the contra gets a lot of money from the

United States, and they were -- when Reagan get in

power, Mr. Reagan get in the power, we start receiving

a lot of money. And the people that was in charge, it

was the CIA, so they didn't want to raise any money

because they have, they had the money that they

wanted.

Q. From the government?

A. Yes, for the contra revolution.

Q. Okay.

A. So we started -- you know, the ambitious

person, we started doing business by ourselves.

Q. To make money for yourselves?

A. Yes.

Q. There's a lot of money to be made?

A. Yes.

Q. Now, did you stay in Los Angeles?

A. Yes, I stayed in Los Angeles.

Q. And did you come in contact -- after '83,

'84 when you went in business for yourself, you pretty

much maintained business until you were arrested?

A. No. Well, I retired in 1986.

Q. You retired?

A. Yes.

Q. All right.

A. I went to live in Miami, and I started doing

business. I put my business in a restaurant and a

rent-a-car business.

Q. Legitimate businesses?

A. Legitimate businesses.

Q. Okay. Now, let's talk about that period of

time between, say, this first point when you're just

doing two keys and helping the contras to when you

retired in '86. What was your business like then

after you started doing business for yourself? What

was it like until your retirement? How did it work?

A. Well., you know, I started -- I bought the

restaurant, okay? I bought the -- well, the business,

the rent-a-car --

Q. No, no. I probably didn't make myself

clear. Not your businesses in Miami. How did you do

the drug business?

(Proceedings interrupted.)

MR. HALL: Q. Your drug business from when

you started working for yourself until you retired,

obviously was a lot more drugs than just two kilograms

at a time.

A. Yes.

Q. How did it work?

A. I work it because when I fight with Norwin,

the Colombian people started, you know, pushing me

along, trying to cross Norwin, and they go with me and

talk to me that I can make it myself. So they started

doing business, and they gave me the credit.

Q. Does that mean that you started getting the

kilograms yourself as opposed to having to get them

from Norwin?

A. Well, no. After a period of time, okay,

because in 1982, we put a business with Norwin Meneses

in L.A. called -- it was marketing, okay, marketing,

called Chicalina Restaurant.

We put a silk screen business that was

taking care because Norwin had a problem with his

wife, and he sent his wife to L.A. to live with his

children. So I was in charge of taking care of Marisa

and the children and put the business right there,

start a life for them.

Q. I see.

A. So at that time, I'm in charge of all that.

But then he continues fighting with her, so I didn't

want to take any chances with the fight with a wife

and husband. So I decide to stay alone. And I

spoke -- the Colombians spoke with me, and they

offered the credit to me.

Q. So that they would be delivering the cocaine

directly to you?

A. Yes.

Q. Now, before you retired, what's the most

cocaine you got at any one time from Norwin?

A. Well, from Norwin, I got 50 or 40.

Q. 40 at a time?

A. Yeah.

Q. And can you give us any kind of estimation

of how much total you would have gotten from Norwin

before you retired?

A. How many I received from Norwin?

Q. Yes.

A. Well, it was -- I received from him, okay,

not for me, because it was -- I was only the

administrator at that time. I received, in L.A.,

about 200, 300..

Q. All right. Now, your retirement didn't

last, is that right, in Miami with these businesses?

A. Excuse me?

Q. You went back into the drug business after

you went back to Miami?

A. Yes.

Q. How did that happen?

A. That happened that I make a bad move in my

business. It was -- my business was growing so fast

that I make a contract, you know, that I could -- I

make a contract with some German people.

Q. To buy cars?

A. Yes, to rent some cars to them. I make a

contract, 3,000 cars to be rented to the German

people. But I didn't have enough cars. So I get a

credit from Chrysler for 250 cars, and I get a credit

from General Motors of 300 cars. And they give me the

credit, but the first, the one that gave me the credit

was Chrysler because I was working with --

Q. Well, as opposed to going into all that, it

didn't work?

A. It didn't work.

Q. You owed a lot of people a lot of money?

A. It didn't work, and, you know, I had to get

cash. I lost -- because Chrysler didn't send me the

cars, so I had to give my cars that were renting

expensive away. So I lost 300,000 in three months.

Q. So you had to go back to the cocaine

business?

A. Yes. That was in 1989.

Q. Did you have, after that, after you'd gone

back into the business in '89, more dealings with

members of the Meneses family?

A. Yes.

Q. Okay. Now, who did you start dealing with

now that you're back in business in '89?

A. In '89, back in business, I started doing

business with Jose Gonzales in San Francisco. He was

the-contact with the Meneses family because I, I know

all the Meneses family, their names, okay. But I

never -- at that time, I never come to deal with them

because Norwin didn't let me to be in touch with them.

So I was in touch to Jose Gonzales, spoke

with the people, with Omar, with Guillermo. They

introduce me to Guillermo by phone the first time, and

all the people, Cornejo, Roger, Omar and Jairo

Morales.

Q. How about Ernesto?

A. I know Ernesto just in Nicaragua one time.

Q. So you didn't have any drug dealings with

him?

A. No.

Q. Now, what were your dealings with Guillermo,

Roger and Jairo? Was it supplying drugs to them?

A. Yes. Jose -- okay. I was working in Miami,

okay? So I get the contact for these people. I get

the, the contact, the Colombian contacts, a contact

right here in San Francisco. So Jose was in charge of

San Francisco. He came to talk, and they delivered to

Jose right here in San Francisco.

Q. Who is they?

A. Jose Gonzales.

Q. Who delivered it to him?

A. Colombians.

Q. Is it fair to say that you would contact the

Colombians and tell them, "Deliver so much to Jose

Gonzales in the Bay Area somewhere"?

A. Yes. I knew a lot of Colombian people in

Miami, and they were my friends because my business,

the renting business, and seen before also. I knew a

lot of people from Colombia.

The problem is that I wasn't working. I do

a lot of favor for a lot of people to get in touch

with them, but I never, at that time, never make a

business until 1989 at the end. I started getting a

contact for me in 1990.

Q. All right. So you primarily dealt with

Guillermo, Roger and Jairo during '90 and '91?

A. Yeah. The first one was Jairo. Jose passed

to Jairo, okay? Jairo, he told me that he would

control the family. Jairo Morales.

Q. How much business were you doing with him?

A. At that time, they got about 50.

Q. 50?

A. 50 keys.

Q. 5-0?

A. 5-0.

Q. Okay.

A. And they started making the list of -- Jairo

started making distribution with Jairo and Omar, with

the family.

Q. He would get 50 keys and then pass.it on to

other members?

A. Yes. We have it in the warehouse, 50 keys--

right here in San Francisco, so they made the

distribution.

Q. Where is that warehouse?

A. That warehouse was -- well, they keep it --

I don't know where. They keep it in hotels.

Q. So you really didn't become part of that;

you just ordered it to be sent here?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you have personal dealings with Roger?

A. Yes.

Q. After Jairo?

A. Yes. Mauricio Gonzales.

Q. What were your dealings with Roger?

A. Okay. The problem was that Jairo Morales

was caught.

Q. Was what?

A. Was put in jail.

Q. Caught?

A. Put in jail. The deal with a woman, so they

get him, and they let him -- there's a lot of accounts

to us. So I said to Mauricio Gonzales to pick up the

money from Meneses because Jose was at that time in

Nicaragua and was in charge of that, and I was

responsible. I was getting a commission from all of

that.

Q. Okay.

A. And Jose was in charge of San Francisco, and

Jairo was the other one. Jose was in Nicaragua, and

Jairo was in jail. So I sent Mauricio Gonzales.

Q. Now, Mauricio Gonzales, is that Roger?

A. No. That was --

Q. Who was that?

A. That was the first, the deal with Roger

Meneses.

Q. He was the one that you hired in Miami?

A. Yes.

Q. To go to San Francisco and deal with Roger?

A. Yes, because he used to live here and he

knows all the people.

Q. I see. Now, did you yourself deal with

Roger then or was it just through Mauricio?

A. Well, after, because it was dangerous for me

because it was my, you know, the money I had to pay

because I was responsible in front of the Colombians.

So I came here and I told Mauricio, "You speak." Then

he had introduced me to Roger in the restaurant.

We're going to Denny's Restaurant.

Q. Denny's?

A. Denny's Restaurant.

Q. And did you start delivering to Roger then?

A. Roger, yes.

Q. How much did you deliver to him?

A. To him, because he was on probation, some

kind of probation, so he didn't want more than two.

Q. More than two kilograms?

A. Yes.

Q. Is that all you ever provided him?

A. Mauricio provided him.

Q. Do you know how many times you provided him

through Mauricio these two kilograms?

A. About four months, something like that.

Q. Four months?

A. Four or five months in 1991.

Q. Would that be once a month for four months?

A. No, once a week.

Q. Once a week for four months?

A. Yes.

Q. So eight kilograms a month for four months,

32, thereabouts?

A. Yeah.

Q. It's a rough figure.

A. That was when Mauricio came to the picture,

or when I knew him because before I didn't know. I

didn't have control.

Q. And how about Guillermo?

A. Guillermo, I knew him in December 1990 in

L.A.

Q. All right.

A. Because before that, he did a deal with Jose

in the same way, but I didn't know him. I knew him in

December 1990 in L.A. He went to pick me up at the

hotel about -- I was in L.A. at that time about three

days. I went to his house. I knew his wife, a

Bolivian girl, his child, just born, about two months

old at that time. And I spent two nights with him.

But in that time, we couldn't do any business.

Q. Did you do any business later?

A. In January I started delivering.

Q. January of '91?

A. '91.

Q. Okay.

A. I started delivering about five a week.

Q. For how long?

A. Oh, until June 1991.

Q. So for a year and a half?

A. A year and a half.

Q. Okay.

A. It was not continual because sometimes we

didn't have the suppliers, okay, but five or ten a

week.

Q. Five or ten a week most weeks, not every

week, for about a year and a half?

A. Yes. Sometimes it was one month without no

merchandise, but that was it, that they could do it.

Q. All right. Now, in this later part, where

did the -- the cocaine came from Colombia?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you know what happened to it from there?

How did you get ahold of it or what did you cause to

happen?

A. Well, some of the merchandise come from --

you want --

Q. Give me the different routes, right.

A. Okay. The coke, the Colombians bring it to

Mexico. They bring all this stuff to Mexico. They

cross the border, and then the Mexicans deliver it to

us.

Q. In San Francisco?

A. In L.A., in San Francisco.

Q. Okay. And was there any other way that it

came to you? Did it come through Miami ever?

A. Before, yes, in 1982, 1983, before.

Q. When you were getting it through the contras

it was coming through Miami?

A. Yes. And with Norwin, we make about three

or four flights for him in Miami, from Miami to here.

Q. And how many other customers or how many

other distribution areas did you have? You had the

Meneses' here in the Bay Area.

A. Yes.

Q. And people that were related to them such

as, you mentioned Cornejo, Raphael Cornejo. Were

there any other people?

A. Yes. Shimar Gonzales is from Redwood City

who had a case.

Q. But he wasn't related to the Meneses'?

A. He already died last year.

Q. Did you have other points in the United

States that you had this cocaine distributed to?

here?

A. In L.A.

Q. So it was L.A. and San Francisco?

A. Yes.

Q. Were the Meneses' your biggest customers

A. Yes.

Q. Between the whole family, the various

members of the whole family?

A. Yes.

Q. All right. Now, when did you stop

delivering to the Meneses'?

A. Well, in 1991, in June, because I gave --

the last time that I gave ten keys, I didn't give him,

okay? Mauricio delivered it to him. But at that

time, his father just died, okay, so I came here and

visited him.

Q. He, who?

A. Guillermo.

Q. Guillermo, his father --

A. He was killed in Nicaragua.

Q. I see.

A. So he just died. I came to give him the

condolences for his father. An I went to his house

and I, at that time I delivered ten keys.

Q. Where was that?

A. That was, it's an apartment.

Q. In San Francisco?

A. In San Francisco.

Q. All right. And again, you need to see that

place again?

A. Yes, I know where it is.

Q. Now, what happened to Norwin when you went

back in business in '89, '90, '91? Where was Norwin

at that time?

A. Norwin was in Nicaragua.

Q. He had gone back?

A. Yes.

Q. He had taken his wife and his smaller

children back?

A. Yes.

Q. All right. And did he leave then Guillermo,

Roger and Jairo in the business here?

A. Yes. Jaime, also.

Q. Jaime, also, which you mentioned was his

brother.

A. He's a nephew. There is a Jaime brother and

Jaime nephew. Jaime brother was killed in Costa Rica

also.

Q. I see.

A. Jaime, senior.

Q. Jaime, senior. Jaime, junior, being his

son, stayed on and was in the cocaine business here in

San Francisco?

A. Yes.

Q. And you supplied him cocaine, too, during

'90, '91?

A. No. Jaime, no. Jaime, no. I didn't get in

with Jaime.

Q. All right. But you just knew that he was in

the business?

A. Yes.

Q. But you had no personal dealings with him?

A. No.

Q. All right.

A. I dealt with him when I used to because he's

the only one that I dealt with with Norwin. I did two

or three times-with him in Norwin's time.

Q. Back in the early '80s?

A. Right.

Q. Now, you mentioned about bringing it in from

Mexico to the United States. How was that done?

A. Okay. Norwin, at that time when I finished

with Guillermo in June, June 1991, because I delivered

at that time ten keys to his house, he took about two

months, one month and a half to pay me. And he told

me the next day.

I started finding out that they were

bringing some of the stuff from Nicaragua. So that

money they used to sell whatever belongs to me. They

sell it, and then they pay the border. They pay the

expenses with the money that I -- well, with the money

that he has. That's because he didn't pay me.

I find out because I, you know, I make phone

call to Nicaragua, I make phone call to Norwin.

What's going on with this guy that Mauricio told me he

owes about $60,000 balance.

So I find out that they were bringing a car

with Guillermo from San Salvador, this guy, and

crossing the border with 35 or 40 keys in the car.

Q. Just smuggling it in in the car?

A. Yes. They want to bring the stuff from

Nicaragua.

Q. They went their own way with it?

A. Yes.

Q. In other words, they were kind of cutting

you out, were they not?

A. Yes.

Q. They were taking money that they owed you,

driving down unbeknownst to you to Nicaragua, buying

cocaine there and bringing it up?

A. No, no. That was Norwin's cocaine.

Q. Oh, it was Norwin's cocaine?

A. Yes. Well, he was supplying Guillermo with

all this stuff. At that time I find out that they

have, with my connection, they have $1,000. And when

Norwin was, you know, put in jail in Nicaragua, they

found only 725. So I suppose that they sold about

250. They brought 275 from Nicaragua with Guillermo.

Q. And that was cocaine other than the one --

A. They were doing -- after that, I never saw

again Guillermo, you know. I just heard from Omar or

from Roger that he was doing, he was bringing the

stuff, and the stuff that he was bringing was in

powder so it was difficult to sell.

Q. So they had their own supply, and they

didn't buy from you anymore?

A. Yes.

Q. Did they pay you the $60,000 they owed you?

A. Yes.

Q. So your last dealing with them is June of

'92, thereabouts?

A. Yes, June or July.

Q. All right. Now, did you know the name

Norman Valario?

A. Yes.

Q. Does he enter into this picture, Norman

Valario?

A. Well, the day that I delivered it to

Guillermo, that day I went to his house, also I

delivered ten keys to Norman Valario.

Q. Is he related to the Meneses' somehow?

A. He used to work when he was 19 years old

with Norwin in San Francisco, and he was one of the

best sellers for Norwin Meneses in San Francisco.

Then he retired because he went to Miami.

He didn't retire. He went to Miami and

lived with his wife. Then he get divorced and he was

a lot of contact with the Colombian family like Ochoa

family. The Ochoa family was a good friend with him.

So he started doing business from Panama, but big

business from him, just putting in Miami.

Q. So he became a big dealer in Miami?

A. Yes. But he all the time, I don't know, he

want to be so bigger and bigger and bigger that he

lost about one trip, and he went broke.

Q. He didn't save much?

A. No. He was buying himself. He crossing the

Ochoa Family.

Q. But the only dealing you had with him was

ten keys at one point?

A. One point, yes.

Q. Can you name any other members of this

organization or this family that were introduced to

you by the Meneses' that you became involved with

supplying cocaine here in the Bay Area in that later

time period, '89, '90, '91, '92?

A. There is this Morales family also. There is

another brother from Jairo Morales that is in the

business also. It's the same name that the father,

that the Morales father had, Jairo Morales' name.

Q. Is that the Jaime, junior and senior that

you've told us about before?

A. No, Jaime's another.

Q. It's somebody else?

A. Jairo Morales Meneses is a son from Norwin's

sister. They had a factory, some candy factory right

here.

Q. Candy or cheese?

A. In Hayward.

Q. Was it cheese?

A. No, candy. A lot of candy.

Q. How much cocaine did you supply to Jairo

Morales Meneses?

A. He was in charge of all 50. About 200.

Q. You told us about that before. That's the

same Jairo?

A.Yes, same Jairo.

Q. How about other people besides who you've

told us about?

A. Well, right now I cannot be in quantity so

exactly.

Q. Sure. I understand.

A. I don't know.

Q. Those are the ones that you remember right

now?

A. Yes. Well, we make 50, 50, 200, and then

50, 125 all together.

Q. How much all together?

A. It's 225. Two trips of 50, 425 in that

period of time, 1990, 1991, in that period of time.

Q. That's what you sold the Meneses family in

total, '90 and '91, those years, 425 kilograms

approximately?

A. Something like that. I cannot be exactly.

I'm sorry.

Q. I understand. You have to do some

additional -- you can do additional work on this if

you were asked, could you not? You have some ledgers,

et cetera --

A. Yes.

Q. -- that you were arrested with that might

help you in being exact?

A. Well, when we were finding out my papers,

when we went looking around my papers, we find out

some accounts that, you know, that they, they found

some -- we found some accounts that I put Guillermo

Meneses, Omar Meneses, Roger Meneses. That was the

balance, because they used to pay cash, most of them.

Q. So your records aren't complete?

A. Yes.

Q. Okay. And you can do some additional work

by going around, if you were allowed to?

A. Verify the places.

MR. HALL: Okay. All right. I believe

that's all the questions I have of Mr. Blandon.

I would like to have a minute after your

questions of filling you in a little bit about where

we might be going with this case. You're going to be

hearing about it for a time period.

But this is only the beginning, so to speak.

We are primarily bringing this witness because he's

available now and because it provides a little

historical background about how all this began.

Any questions?

GRAND JURY FOREPERSON: Any questions?

MR. HALL: Okay. Before you get up,

Mr. Blandon, let me see what the martials want to do,

how they want you to proceed from here. Okay,

Mr. Blandon.

(Witness excused at 11:50 a.m.)

(Proceedings heard before the Grand Jury

reported but not transcribed from 11:50 a.m. to

12:01 p.m.)

(Whereupon, proceedings adjourned at 12:01 p.m.)

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